The Flow of Self - Part 2

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Andrew's Previous Response:

I can be Andrew without others. I EXIST. Prime knovium. However, this state my get a little boring after awhile, possibly, because, well, hmmm... essences, but this isn't the time or place to discuss those.

I agree with your last statement about needing plants for air. Yes, but this is only true within the physical context we are currently in. In my ultimate context, I do not need air, or food, or clothes. In fact, I don't really "need" clothes here, it's just a courtesy to others. This is why I'm really advocating communication, because I do believe we need to start listening and respecting one another so we can learn to live in harmony as a family on this planet we find ourselves. However, you are still you, and I am still me. I, in my perspective, and experience, find that there is no ultimate One. There is not an ultimate Bigger Self that encapsulates all other Bigger Selves.

Now... within my Bigger Self there are other distinct personalities. One, for example, is my next lifetime. In my next lifetime, I remember this one, and directly (physically) and indirectly interact with my previous lifetime (this one), which has happened already, and will probably happen again. There is a Bigger Self to my most direct Bigger Self that is a highly female personality. Delicious. I love me. LOL.

I understand what you are saying about hurting another hurts all. If I pollute the air or water, I hurt all. Yes, that is true within the physical context. That is not necessarily true within the core reality. I agree that my life is connected to all other beings that have directly and indirectly interacted with my life, which really includes everyone on the planet today, and all beings in the past, and future... but... I EXIST. I AM CONSCIOUSNESS. I exist outside this physical life time. My personality exists outside this physical time and space. I EXIST. So, really this connection you are speaking of is concerned with the physical circumstances of our lives, but not the internal reality of our existence. A subtle different, I admit.

Alex Responded Back:

I knew you would snag me on the fact that the point sI made were only true within the physical context! :)

I didn't mean to imply you needed clothes or anything in particular, but to imply that your life has been shaped by forces outside your normal idea of self. And that then in the physical at least, we are being effected by everything. A war in some far off country is effecting me, here now.

Andrew's Current Response:

And so, to me, this is a truth within a subreality... harm to one is harm to all. Here's a question I have toward that question or "truth". What if I'm the one being harmed? I may be forced to harm to stop the pain I'm in, which you address below. Also, if we really cracked open the word "harm", it would be almost impossible to avoid "harming" others. If I walk on the grass, there may be harm done. If I eat the last bite of food for my own "survival", I may be denying an entire village. Well, that's an extreme example, but it could happen in some sense.


Andrew's Previous Response:

I prefer to keep myself. I like Who I AM. Even if this Andrew Wilcox personality is simply a toy of my Bigger Self, then my Bigger Self really likes to play with this toy. However, in my flow, and in my connection, and in my understanding and acceptance of Who I AM, this distinction is growing thin. I'm not concerned with becoming One with everything that's "out there". There's a lot "out there" that I don't like. There are individual personalities and bigger beings that are my sworn enemies (Choices are choices. Consciousness can choose to be an enemy, can choose to seek to harm another.) It took me a long time to face this fact, because it wasn't the "best feeling thought". My Bigger Self went round and round with me on this. It brought me experience, understanding, knowledge, evidence, until I had to face it, and when I did, my shoulder finally healed. Ok, details.

I have directly personal experience that Abraham was setting intentions against me. And, these intentions were manifesting as pain within my shoulder. And, this pain would flare up any time I tired to "connect" with Who I AM, thus keeping me in a cycle of disconnection. Now, how did this happen? By choosing to believe that Abraham was who they claim to be (i.e. highest whatever), then I am indirectly saying they get to create my reality, which means I am indirectly agreeing to any and all intentions they set toward me. This was NOT easy to face. I didn't believe. I couldn't believe it. BUT, I have the personal, physical life experience that is undeniable to me. Can I prove it to anyone else? No, but I can now point out contradictions and errors in their teachings that others might find useful, so I do. When I faced what my Bigger Self was telling me, when I agreed with ME, my shoulder healed, very quickly, because I was able to finally remove the thoughts forms inserted there, and allow it to return to its natural state.

Alex Responded Back:

I'm not concerned with becoming One with everything out there either. To be clear. There is plenty I don't like either, hehe.

Andrew's Current Response:

That's good, because people needing that will never be one with me. LOL.


Andrew's Previous Response:

I love me. I can define this individual personality as a collection of personal preferences. ME, the all of me, may like to put this personality on once in awhile and take a stroll around the block. There are only things Andrew Wilcox can experience, because of who Andrew Wilcox is, and was, and will be.

Alex Responded Back:

I wanted to edit this line earlier before you responded. Too late :P

Let me elaborate on the REAL intent behind this and the above. When you know you are taken care of, when you are filled with appreciation for what is. Then for me I find a releasing of the holding onto needing to control things for ME. Things are already controlled for me anyway!

I'm not even a very "self-less" person in the classical sense.

I operate much like Marcel. I say please stop. If that doesn't work then I might yell. If that doesn't work I might have to get physical. I train traditional Shaolin Kungfu, where it is considered compassionate to break an arm, rather than maiming someone for life. So there are "levels" of benevolence. Hehe... My higher joy is for love of mankind. So even if I had to seriously hurt someone I wouldn't hold a grudge. I believe love is a powerful force much more powerful than "war" - literal and metaphorical. This however doesn't mean I won't bitchslap someone. I did that on Christmas actually. If we kill each other, torture each other, rape each other, we do it out of ignorance of the choice for something better. So, I'm always ready to return to love. Actually, if I seriously injure someone, I would do it with love in my heart. Seriously.

To me letting-go of needing to care for ME ME ME, expands my sense of happiness, because I find the more I let-go of the need to control, the more happy I am. It's under control anyway, of course by my Bigger Me.

Andrew's Current Response:

I agree with this, but put it into different words. I feel no need to try and "manifest" anything. I feel no need to try and "strive" with "effort" to achieve or accomplish anything. I feel no need to make or force my desires to happen. I'm here. I'm connected to me, and allowing that connection to deepen. All the rest is my Bigger Self's responsibility. I personally, still have desire, but my desire is to be ONE with myself, because I know that in that flow, and in that conversation, and in that connection, everything else will be there, already taken care of... which it is... already.

To me it comes down to intent. It's not about the actions or the perceived created circumstances. It's about the reason and motivation behind those things. A person can smile and hug me and greet me warmly, to lure me into my death. A person can scream and yell at me, even kick and punch me, to save my life. So, the only "choice" of action, (this is a subtle statement, CHOICE OF ACTION, not choice), the only "choice" of action I have is to connect with me, and follow myself, even if the resulting "actions" and "circumstances" would be labled as wrong or bad or evil by everyone else. I believe, this is what you are calling "letting-go".

I'm not operating from a perspective of... I want this... how do I get this... then I must do this to get this...

I'm just being here. I'm being me. I'm not worried about the outcomes. I don't actually care about the outcomes. I care about being ME within my joy right here, right now, because that moment of NOW is eternal. If I can learn to live in harmony with myself in that moment of now, I will always have everything, and never not have anything. In that self connection, in the moment of now, I AM. There is no gap. There is no separation. There's no where to "go", but there are endless circumstances that will change around me, according to my choices... great.


Andrew's Previous Response:

The more I let-go and allow ME to be ME and flow into ME, then yes, the better it gets. I have no intention or desire to let-go for others and their intentions and their desires, unless they are in alignment with Who I Am, and can share-the-bliss, so to speak. Not all beings and consciousness can, as is demonstrated on this planet.

Alex Responded Back:

I am not interested in letting-go "for others" or really for any purpose other than it seems to be the thing constantly pulling me.

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